Wagner

The Wagner clan is one of the largest families in Krasna.

Georg Wagner, the oldest known wainwright in Krasna, emigrated with his family to South Prussia around 1800. He most probably came from Nassau territory or neighboring areas.

There were several Wagner emigrants to South Prussia from this area at this time, but only three were married and of suitable age, only two of them with two children or more, only one Georg.

It was Georg Ludwig? Wagner, Erbach, Kirberg district, 35 yrs. wife and 6 children (Dokument 172/2677 # 534)

This Erbach lies near Hünfelden in the Taunus; (Erbach before 1802 Kurtrier and Nassau-Oranien, joint office Camberg¹).

Georg Wagner was therefore born around 1763. His wife could have been Margaretha Eisler, who is named with two children in Orzechowo.

They probably married between 1783 and 1785 after the birth of the presumably eldest children.

So far it has not been possible to find birth/marriage dates in the region of origin of Georg's family

The family was settled in Orzechowo near Wreschen and was registered in 1814 together with the traveling schoolteachers Müller and Becker (seeThe hiking instructors Mathias Müller and Peter Becker) moved on to Krasna.

Georg Wagner was a schoolmaster in Orzechowo around 1808. Together with other colonists, he asked for the payments to the administration to be postponed. In his justification, he stated that he had recently married two children and therefore had high costs. The names of the children are not mentioned. They could be Johannes and Joseph Wagner, to whom one child each was born in Orzechowo in 1804 and 1805.

Georg Wagner is mentioned twice in the church register of Orzechowo:

• Georg Wagner ⚭ with Margaretha, and Margaretha née Eisler; they had one child each in 1804 and 1809.
• Georg Wagner ⚭ with Rosina Jakob, they each have one child in 1810 and 1813. A marriage entry has not been found.

Georg Wagner Sr. came to Krasna with his second wife Rosina Jakob and died soon after 1820.

• In the Krasna database of Ted Becker, Georg Wagner *1765 and his wife are named as the oldest Wagner family. The ages for the couple are based on two different documents:

Sick list from 1819 (wife-no first name given- 52 years old)². According to this, the wife was ill in August of that year and 52 years old, i.e. born around 1767.

According to the emigration documents, Georg himself was born around 1763.

• Both the names Rosina and Georg appear as baptismal witnesses in Krasna in 1815/1817.
• In 1819 they appear as parents: #207 14-3-1819/16-3-1819 Marianna Wagner; Parents Georg Wagner and Rosina Wagner. This raises questions about the wife. Rosina (*1767) would then have been between 51 and 53 years old? On the other hand, there is evidence that women gave birth to children in Krasna at that age.
  Marianna Wagner may have died as an infant, as there is no further evidence of her.
• Finally, we also have a proven line of ancestors for the couple:

Agatha Wagner *1925 already had a document in which Georg Wagner * 1766 and Rosina Jakobs are named as a married couple. (RESEARCHER: Agatha Wagner/Bachmeier, Germany; family chart in poss of Ted Becker).

Likewise Volker Wutschik, Achim, Germany. Has a pedigree (Ahnentafel) chart from Johannes Söhn * 1864 ⚭ Margaretha Wagner (great-granddaughter of Georg Wagner) , son of Kaspar Sohn & Monika Dirk.

Further evidence:

• Baptism entries of two children of Georg Wagner and Rosina Jakob in the church register of Orzechowo.
• One of Georg's daughters, born in 1809, was named Rosina, like his second wife. She was the godmother of this child with her maiden name (Rosina Jakob ex Colonia Krerowo)
• FILES: Documents loc in Archives in Russia; 1819 sick colonists, in the colony of Krasna; a copy in poss of Ted Becker, Identified as "The wife of Georg Wagner, AGE: 52, sick since Aug 10.

Despite this evidence and circumstantial evidence, we have a problem that has not yet been fully resolved:

There is a church register entry in the Orzechowo church register according to which Adalbert Wagner is said to have married Rosina Jakob in 1808. (Catholic Parish Czeszewo (Wrzesnia) Entry 2 / 1808 (24. Januar 1808) Adalbertus Wagner ⚭ Rosina Jakob).

This entry raises questions:

• In the same church register, Georg Wagner and his wife Rosina Jakob had one child each in 1810 and 1813.
• Georg Wagner, born around 1763, is probably Adalbert's father. This means that Adalbert could hardly have been born before 1785. Rosina, on the other hand, was born in 1767 (based on the age given in the 1819 sick list), which would make her around 20 years older than Adalbert.
• In the OFD Krasna, the year of birth of Adalbert * is given as before 1798 (calculated on the basis of the year of birth of the first child). If this age is correct, a marriage in 1808 would be rather unlikely.
• No child is registered in Orzechowo for the marriage Adalbertus Wagner/Rosina Jakob.
• The couple Adalbertus Wagner/Rosina appears in Krasna, but the wife's surname is not mentioned. They have a child Johann there in 1816. Johann Peter Wagner and his wife are godparents. Apart from this single child, there is no further information about the family.
• Perhaps names were mixed up in the marriage entry in Orzechowo?

Was a wrong first name used for the groom? Interestingly, the best man is also called Adalbert, like the groom?
Was perhaps the groom Georg and the best man Adalbert? But then the marriage date would raise questions, because Rosina is still named in the same church register with her maiden name as godmother (see above).

Isn't the bride's surname Jacob? Finally, Rosina Jakob is mentioned in the same church register in 1809 with her maiden name as godmother (see above).

There is some evidence that Georg Wagner, born in 1763, and his two wives are the parents of most of the Wagner family in Krasna who were born before 1814:

First marriage: Georg Wagner to Margaretha Eisler

Born in Germany:

• Josef * abt 1785 -counted back from the birth of the first child - wife Margaretha (no surname) One child is mentioned in the church register of Orzechowo Kind: Catharina * Orzechowo Nov 19, 1805. Joseph could mathematically be the oldest child of Georg, who was 35 years old when he emigrated to South Prussia in 1799 (20 years to the age of majority = child Joseph 15 years old. This means that in 1805, when the first grandchild was born (Catharina), her father would have been 15 + 6 = 21 years old.
  Parents Josef Wagner and Margaretha appear in Krasna, they have a child:
  24-7-1817/25-7-1817 Antonius (Anton) Wagner, Eltern: Joseph Wagner and Margareta Wagner.
  But apart from this information there is nothing at all about the couple, and the gap between the children 1805-1817 is very large.
• Johann * abt 1785 (from the birth of the first child at least* 1786).
  He and his wife Marianna have a son Anton * August 03, 1806 (recorded in the church register of Orzechowo)³.
  In the church register of Krasna the married couple Johannes Wagner and wife Marianna are listed, they have a son 12-2-1816/26-2-1816 Johannes Wagner, parents: Johannes Wagner and Marianne (Marianna) Wagner (Lutheran), godparents: Antonius Henrych (Fenrich), Rosalia Mülbrunn. Witnesses: Mathias Baldus, Susanna Sztekell.
  There are no other entries for this couple in the Krasna church register.
• Johannes Peter *1796 (his age is given in the 1835 census) and his wife Margaretha are recorded in the Krasna church register. In a document from 1824 about changes of religion of wives, his middle name is given as Peter. They have several children:

15-3-1817/18-3-1817 Thekla Wagner, Parents: Johannes Wagner and Margaritta (Margareta) Wagner (nee Petsch)

11-8-1818/16-8-1818 Elisabetha Wagner, Parents: Johannes Wagner and Margarita (Margareta) Wagner (nee Petsch)

12-1-1820/16-1-1820 Gertrud (Gertrude) Wagner, Parents: Johannes Wagner and Margaritta (Margareta) Wagner (nee Petsch)

?-4-1822/2-7-1822 Joseph Wagner Johannes Wagner and Margarith (Margareta) Wagner (nee Petsch)

3-8-1824/6-8-1824 Margaretha Wagner, Johannes Wagner and Margaretha Wagner (nee Petsch)

• Adalbert * bef 1798 (if this age calculated on the basis of the year of birth of the child mentioned below is correct, he cannot be the one whose marriage is entered in the church register of Orzechowo in 1808. (Catholic Parish Czeszewo (Wrzesnia) Entry 2 / 1808 (24. Januar 1808) Adalbertus Wagner ⚭ Rosina Jakob)
  In Orzechowo no child of the couple is mentioned, but in Krasna the couple is mentioned (without mentioning the wife's surname);
  You have a child there: 17-2-1816/19-2-1816 Johannes Wagner Parents: Adalbert Wagner and Rosina Wagner (Lutheran), Godparents: Johannes Wagner, Margaritta (Margareta) Pitzowna (Petsch).
  Apart from this single child, there is no further information about the family.
• Elisabeth * um 1799 (in Krasna married to Michael Arlot)
  in the church register of Orzechowo Elisabeth is recorded as godmother in 1813 for daughter Elisabeth * 1813 of Georg and Rosina Wagner.
  The children of Arlot's own family were godparents

at son Michael * 1819 Johannes Wagner

at son Adam Anton * 1821 Anton Wagner

at son Dominic * 1825 Godfather is Dominic Wuitschik (later husband of Elisabeth Wagner * 1813

at daughter Susanne * 1827 Jan Wagner

at daughter Margaretha * 1828 Margaretha Wagner

at daughter Augustina * 1834 Elisabeth Wagner, Wife of Dominic Wuitschik

• One child must have died, because according to the proof of emigration there were six children.

Born in Orzechowo:⁴

• Christian WAGNER ~ 10.05.1804 in Orzechowo.
  He does not appear in Krasna, presumably he died at an early age.
• Rosina WAGNER ~ 03.04.1809 in Orzechowo.
  She does not appear in Krasna, presumably she died at an early age.

Second marriage: Georg Wagner with Rosina Jakob

Born in Orzechowo:

• Georg *08.02.1810 is recorded in the church register of Orzechowo as the son of Georg Wagner and Rosina Jakob.
  Georg appears in Krasna with these parents

Dominic Wuitschik (husband of Elisabeth Wagner *1813) was godfather to his daughter Theresa *1837.

• Elisabeth *03.01.1813 recorded in the church register of Orzechowo as the daughter of Georg Wagner and Rosina Jakob. Elisabeth appears in Krasna *1813.
  She was married to Dominic Wuitschik,

Elisabeth Wagner *1799 was godmother to her daughter Agnes

for son Peter * 1836 was wife of Georg Wagner *1810 godmother

Born in Krasna:

• Marianna Wagner *1819, recorded in the church register of Krasna as the daughter of Georg Wagner and Rosina Jakob. Godfather Michael Arlet (husband of Elisabeth Wagner).

Eduard Volk
Neuwied, März 2025
Eduard's ancestor is Klemens VOLK

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1. According to Hofmann, the list of emigrants to South Prussia also included people from outside Nassau, especially subjects from TrierAccording to Hofmann, the list of emigrants to South Prussia also included people from outside Nassau, especially subjects from Trier
2. FILES: Documents loc in Archives in Russia; 1819 sick colonists, in the colony of Krasna; a copy in poss of Ted Becker, AGE: 52, sick Aug 10.
3. Anton also came to Krasna; he had a son there in 1826.
4. Two Wagner children are mentioned in Krasna who do not appear in the Orzechowo church register:
   • Peter * around 1802? (age only estimated from year of birth of first child * 1824). There is no evidence of the birth of a Wagner child in Orzechowo in 1802.
     The couple Peter Wagner ⚭ with Barbara Erker occurs in Krasna; no Wagner persons are godparents of his children.
   • Dorothea * abt 1808
     There is no information about her in Krasna apart from the name and age details in the 1835 census. The name does not appear in the church register in Orzechowo either. It cannot be completely ruled out that it is Rosina, born in 1809.